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Ketul

Ketul — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Shafee

This judgment is a landmark decision in the history of Indian judiciary. It reflects the seriousness of judiciary towards the equality.

Milind

Milind — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

All the modern democracies are recognizing the homosexuality so how can India ignore the issue?

Hiten

Hiten — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Shafee

Religious fundamentalists are opposing this decision and BJP has joined them. MM Joshi said that court is not above the legislation and parliament can overturn this judgment. It shows the basic thought of BJP.

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Dear All

I wish not take to argue this subject on Religious basis but on common sense. Let me see how many accept and how many reject.

1.Transgender(Eunuch)is a congenital defect lacking male hormone.

2. They come under the group congenital defective births such as visually impaired,mentally impaired,congenital heart defects.

3. They are to have human sympathy same as what other congenital defective groups.

4.Since they don’t have male hormone by birth they are more inclined towards famenine characterism including sex. Their instinctive sex urge is same as females. They want to get appeased with an unnatural route which is not only nasty but also poses threat to society such as HIV/AIDS. THE US survey from 2005 shows that 75% of transgenders have

HIV/AIDS.

3. As far as their gender ambiguity,this can be the choice of the transgender.

4. Decriminalization of homosexuality will lead to societal suicide of horrible disease like HIV/AIDS.

5.Nature has provided only two genders.

Third gender as transgender is unfortunate.Natural Conjugal rights are

only between male and female through out the world. Homosexuality is not a conjugal rights but a trespass and is a human nonsense(my personal opinion.

6.Animals whose brains are not developed

are little know to enjoy homosexuality.

If homosexuality is decriminilsed on human rights,why not pedophile,pornographers not have similar arguments?

Nuya Bidness

Nuya Bidness — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

It is a matter of adults and consent so pedophilia would fall under that category.

Think about all those statues, temples and books ...early pornography... so pornography has always been legal in India. What did all those depictions of orgies, homosexuality and bestiality have to do with family? Nothing! There were still plenty of families and there will always be more than enough families to keep the species from going extinct.

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya,

Please don’t go with the amorous statue what you see in temples. They are artistic exponents and proponents of exaggerated expositions of Hindu religion. Nude artistic works could be invariably seen. It does not mean that a woman who goes to temple should expose her curves similar to the carvings. Ravan had ten heads. Has any Hindu seen in his/her life time a person with ten heads.

Even a pain balm advertisement in TV takes it as a humour,as to which head the ten headed fellow use the balm when head ache felt!

There is some perversion exposed artistically in those arts and sculptures. We cannot take them to be true. Ask any modest woman of Hindu to be like her Goddesses

heaved bosoms. Though she happened to have such sight,she digests. More myths are exposed rather an altruistic teaching in Hinduism. My Hindu brethren ought not feel that I advocate only myths exists Hinduism. The matter is the individual choice how it has to be viewed.

The ancient Greek mythology is full of such things. Every country has such artistically elevated sex.

However the stories are very interesting. Some mythology uses sensual art copiously. Forsaken Marmaid is beautiful story.

Let sex be there but let it be natural and clean. No disease to be spread.

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Nuya,

Pornography is a crime in India.

A renowned orthopaedic surgeon well flourishing in his profession in Chennai,has become a notorious porno video grapher and behind bars past several years. He could perhaps argue on human rights.

Saurabh Baweja

Saurabh Baweja — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Dear Shafee,

Kudos to you for such an effort. This article really present every possible aspect related to LGBT issue.

Biswajith

Biswajith — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

I think we need to understand the basic terms that we often misunderstand .

1. Transgender: Describing a person of one sex who considers himself or herself to really belong to the opposite sex, or who wishes to be surgically converted to the opposite sex, or has been so converted. [ wiktionary ]

• a term describing persons whose gender identities, expressions, or behaviors are not those traditionally associated with their birth gender

That means it deals with gender identity, a transgender can be a women, who loves to be dressed, who likes to be known, who likes to behave as a man. Or a man who loves to be dressed, who prefers to be known as a women. The point is there won’t be any abnormality in their body but the said individuals prefers to be the opposite gender. There are innumerable factors that culminate in to this kind of state of mind but that’s actually a different and as of now we are not on to it.

But the point is, do we have to see this as an abnormality that should be feared, that should be kept away from the society? Before judging this question lets see another term.

2. Transvestites: - someone who adopts the dress or manner or sexual role of the opposite sex. Transvestites are included in the spectrum of Transgender. These people have no abnormalities physically. This also pertains to gender identity.

3. Eunuchs: A man or boy whose testes is nonfunctioning or has been removed.

Normally people misunderstand this term, or even broadly categorize all the persons who are different from what we perceive as male or female as eunuchs.

Now we should also look in to the fact that their are sections of people who have congenital and hormonal problems with different levels of deviations from normalcy in their physical appeal. Their gender identity fluctuates between male and female, and the behaviors they exhibit also will be a fluctuating between male and female identity.

Coming towards the million dollar question, of how we have to view this. - We have got a whole gamut of issues ,

Culture? Morality? God ? Abnormality? Unnatural ?

Let me introduce a new term – “choice “

It’s all about a personal choice an individual is making about his or her sexual preferences.

And as long as it is not contrary to the consent of another individual. I would say it is perfectly normal. There is a greater chance of equating this with pedophilia, pornography ,prostitution, child trafficking etc, I would say that as a biased generalization. I am not negating the sentiments of those minds which are religiously oriented ,but the point is that we need to understand the need of space ,regarding free choices as a civilization.

It’s not through water tight compartments of definitions regarding what’s right and what’s wrong that had contributed to the movement of a culture, but through expressions of understanding that sees and touches the pluralities that surrounds you.

I consider gay persons as equals; for I don’t mind what’s their sexual preferences are ,i don’t mind of what caste they are in ,I don’t mind what language they speak in ,I don’t care whether they are religious are not ,the only thing I understand and consider is that they are my fellow beings who is different from me, who is sensitive like me moreover who is a citizen like me.

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Saurabh,

Thank you very much. I am encouraged indeed.

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Biswajith,

I have taken your own descriptions.They follow as under:

I consider gay persons as equals; for I don’t mind what’s their sexual preferences are ,i don’t mind of what caste they are in ,I don’t mind what language they speak in ,I don’t care whether they are religious are not ,the only thing I understand and consider is that they are my fellow beings who is different from me, who is sensitive like me moreover who is a citizen like me.”

Whatever it may lie, let there be clean sex without any diseases as nature has ordained.As for I have discussed with others,including eminent

doctors,educationists,lawers,writers,they all feel homosexuality is not a natural,but a punihsable crime

Biswajith

Biswajith — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Hello sir,

I understand the genuine concerns of you regarding safe practices that majority of people neglect and is unaware of, and I am also aware that this unsafe practices can jeopardize the equilibrium of a society [health wise and there by economically and socially] but I think we should not be in a haste to mix up things in arriving at a policy. This is a major concern that needs thoughtful planning and action. Although I am glad that you are opposing this solely on the basis of health concerns and not on the basis of culture and religion.

There can be a possibility that a heterosexual can be unsafe. There can be a possibility that a homosexual can be unsafe. The factor that decides the safety is not in being hetero or homo, it’s in the awareness. It’s that factor that’s less in our society and it’s that factor that we have to attain jointly as a society.

I think the issue of being what’s natural and what’s unnatural is worth considering.

Suppose a person is born without eyes [congenital problem] do we have to address that as unnatural?

In a way it’s an aberration of nature but its natural, in a way he is away from normalcy but still, it is natural. Life has its fluctuations.

Why is that life makes some animals fertile and some infertile, it is

Still in the ambit of life that decide the way for it to propagate itself.

And that is natural although in a different way. It’s in the billion combination’s of genes [and the culture we are in] that decides our behavior patterns that makes us to think, act, and behave differently.

And this plurality is natural, every shades of it.. is natural.

Again, life has its fluctuation and it is for this that I love it.

[Smile]

Shafee Ahmed.Ko

Shafee Ahmed.Ko — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 00:00:00 +0000

Biswajith,

Please address me as Shafee. Why, Sir..?

Yea, you are understanding my concept.

Thanks.